Peter Stiers’ “Logic and Value in Wittgenstein’s Philosophy” in Philosophical Investigations Volume 44, Issue 2 April 2021 Pages 119-150 is worth reading, although I don’t know how much of it I agree with.
Here’s the
abstract:
In Tractatus
Logico‐Philosophicus (TLP),
Wittgenstein gave ethics the same semantic status as logic. This paper first
investigates this claim from the perspective of Wittgenstein’s lifelong
semantic framework. This reveals that ethical sentences are meaningless
expressions, which can only be used to ostensively point out conditions of
meaningfulness. Secondly, the paper assesses the implications of this
conclusion for understanding the seven cryptic remarks on value and ethics in
TLP. Using the connection between will and value in TLP and will and sentence
interpretation in Philosophical Investigations, it is suggested
that Wittgenstein held lifelong views on value and ethics.
And
here are the parts that seem most questionable to me:
Asking
which ethical attitude is the right one makes no sense, because “we do not
know… how it would be determined, what sort of criteria would be used, and so
on.” [And now another quotation from Wittgenstein:] “[S]uppose I say Christian ethics is the
right one. Then I am making a judgment of value. It amounts to adopting Christian
ethics. It is not like saying that one of these physical theories must be the
right one. The way in which some reality corresponds — or conflicts — with a
physical theory has no counterpart here.” (pp. 123-124)
If
saying that Christian ethics “is the right one” makes sense, which I take
Wittgenstein to imply here, then surely it makes sense to ask which ethical
attitude is the right one? It would not make the same kind of sense that it makes to ask which physical theory
is right, for instance, but that doesn’t make it nonsense. Say I am telling
students about various ethical attitudes, views, and theories, and one of them
asks me which one is right. They might
be confused, but they might not be. They might mean: “which one do you live
by?” And then I might name any of them and make perfectly good sense.
To be
fair to Stiers, on p. 124 he says only that “in a way [my emphasis], it makes no sense to ask whether” an
ethical sentence is true or false, right or wrong. Which is what I think he
should have said all along.
Here's more:
Now
suppose that Wittgenstein, when confronted for telling a preposterous lie,
would similarly respond that he knows he behaved badly but did not want to
behave any better. In such case, we would admonish him by saying, “you ought to
want to behave better.” The analogy of the circumstance of this utterance to
Moore’s insistence that his hands exist or to the chess player's holding up the
rook is clear: it is an ostensive pointing out of the rules of the game. This
demonstrates that ethical utterances do have a use and, thus, are part of the
practice in which language has its place. Like logical sentences, they are not
nonsensical because they have an unequivocal interpretation in the context of
the language‐game to which they belong.
(p. 128)
I think
it’s fair to wonder here what counts as an ethical utterance. Such utterances are supposed
to have a use in a practice, so that saying something like “You should not lie”
is reminding someone of the rules of the game. I think this is one use of
sentences like that.
But
what about “Abortion is wrong” or “Abortion is not always wrong”? A person
might say either of these as a reminder to someone of what they already
believe. But that is not the only use these sentences can have. They can also
be used as part of an attempt to change someone else’s mind. Or (probably in modified form) as slogans
chanted by a group whose identity is defined partly by its stance on abortion.
Or, no doubt, in other ways too (as examples in a blog post, say).
And
then there are similar-looking sentences that aren’t a reminder of anything,
such as “In this paper I shall argue that robots have moral rights.” Even if
one agrees with this thesis, it isn’t part of a practice (except the practice
of doing applied ethics). The kind of robot that might be thought to have rights either doesn't exist yet or doesn't play a big enough part in enough people's lives for there to be a practice of recognizing their rights. But I wouldn’t call the thesis statement about robots' rights nonsense for this reason.
Stiers again:
“we
cannot understand someone who does not subscribe to the truth of these ethical
sentences.” (p. 129)
I think
this is probably true of certain ethical utterances. If someone said that
murder is OK I would wonder what they meant. But students have a tendency to
say things like “Technically murder can be right” when they mean that war or
capital punishment can be justified. So I wouldn’t rush to call even the claim
that “murder is OK” nonsense without some further clarification.
And surely we can understand people who disagree with us on
abortion or robot rights, even if we don’t always do so. A nice example of this
kind of thing is Brandon Boulware on coming to accept his daughter’s
being trans:
He certainly seems as though he can understand people who don’t share his view. (Which is not to claim, of course, that he can understand all of them. Some of them might have very different views or ways of viewing things.)
Last one:
Just as the logical insight inherent in a tautology is recognized by
someone who knows language, the ethical aspect in ostensively uttered ethical
propositions is recognized by someone who already has these practical insights.
Thus, ethics, as well as logic, is ineffable. Moreover, all “moral” discussions
must be of the form of an ostensive collision between forms of life. (p. 132)
I think
I want to question the word ‘already’ here. Say I am witnessing an event where
pro-choice and pro-life protestors are waving signs and shouting slogans.
Imagine I am undecided about the ethics of abortion, or pro-life but with some
doubts. Now someone shouts “A woman has the right to control her own body!” And
I think, “You know what? That’s right! She does.”
I doubt
this happens often, but doesn’t it seem possible? The pro-choice way of framing
the issue invites me to see it a certain way, and when I try out this way of
looking at it, suddenly I seem to see clearly. (It could go the other way, too,
of course, with the pro-life view, or a
pro-life view, seeming to make sense of the whole issue to someone.)
I’m not sure I would call this a collision of forms of life. But perhaps it’s good to think of the abortion debate as a struggle within our form of life.
I think it might be a sorites paradox kind of thing as to whether something is better called "a collision of forms of life" or "a struggle within our form of life". To suggest that the former is the only option does seem wrong.
ReplyDeleteThe bit about Moore's hands brings us to On Certainty, and there have been attempts to argue both that moral certainty is a Moore-type certainty (e.g. Renford Bambrough) and that it is an On Certainty-type certainty (e.g. Nigel Pleasants). But Wittgenstein writes that the latter occurs in "a community which is bound together by science and education" (OC §298), and the more there are things like extreme political polarisation (with political differences having a statistically significant link to differences in attitudes towards science and education), the more questionable it is that the analogy can hold. What with:
"If we are thinking within our system, then it is certain that no one has ever been on the moon. Not merely is nothing of the sort ever seriously reported to us by reasonable people, but our whole system of physics forbids us to believe it. For this demands answers to the questions 'How did he overcome the force of gravity?' 'How could he live without an atmosphere?' and a thousand others which could not be answered. But suppose that instead of all these answers we met the reply: 'We don't know how one gets to the moon, but those who get there know at once that they are there; and even you can't explain everything.' We should feel ourselves intellectually very distant from someone who said this." (OC §108)
And on slogans:
"If we call this 'wrong' aren't we using our language-game as a base from which to combat theirs? And are we right or wrong to combat it? Of course there are all sorts of slogans which will be used to support our proceedings. Where two principles really do meet which cannot be reconciled with one another, then each man declares the other a fool and heretic. I said I would 'combat' the other man, – but wouldn't I give him reasons? Certainly; but how far do they go? At the end of reasons comes persuasion. (Think what happens when missionaries convert natives.)" (OC §§609–612)
Thanks, Tommi! I don't have much to add, but these are all good points.
DeleteAsking which ethical attitude is the right one makes no sense, because “we do not know… how it would be determined, what sort of criteria would be used, and so on.”
ReplyDeleteWhat is the point of ethics, ethical statements (as in moral valuations), if we can't ask which ones are the right ones? And if we can't ask how can we answer? Yet ethics comes down to the advice we give to others or ourselves about how to act in this or that situation. If we can't ask, then we can't answer and if we can't, then ethics is pointless. Yet we don't act as though we think it is or that our ethical claims are empty. Are we kidding ourselves?
Now suppose that Wittgenstein, when confronted for telling a preposterous lie, would similarly respond that he knows he behaved badly but did not want to behave any better. In such case, we would admonish him by saying, 'you ought to want to behave better.' The analogy of the circumstance of this utterance to Moore’s insistence that his hands exist or to the chess player's holding up the rook is clear: it is an ostensive pointing out of the rules of the game. This demonstrates that ethical utterances do have a use and, thus, are part of the practice in which language has its place.
Can this be all that ethical claims are about, pointing? At what? If someone says "you ought to do X" then the perfectly reasonable question that follows is why ought I to? And here the ethical admonition stands in need of a reason. Without it there can be no ethics at all. Can we solve this just by resolving to call such claims "nonsense" but of a useful sort? How useful can they be if they hang unattached to any reason in the space between our words?
I mostly agree, although there is something funny about asking which view is the right one. There isn't a correct answer to questions about ethics in the way that there is to questions about addition, say. (Which is not to say that there isn't a correct answer.) When my kids were younger they would sometimes ask whether we liked this or that politician, and I always wanted them to make up their own minds instead of just accepting existing clan loyalties. I wouldn't have felt that way if ethics/politics/religion were just like math or science.
DeleteOn the other hand, it's disastrous to conclude that all value judgements are equally good.
On the other hand, it's disastrous to conclude that all value judgements are equally good.
DeleteYes. Nor can we. Even when we try to be totally agnostic about moral claims we cannot help being repulsed by some, pleased at others and behaving and speaking accordingly. Is this just a function of our sensibilities?
That seems a ready answer and yet, if it is, moral claims lose their power to motivate because they no longer provide us with reasons to do one thing rather than another. Once I think that I am just acting on how I feel, then I cannot say another should feel that way nor can I urge myself to feel differently if I don't. What reason could I have?
But moral issues are about doing these kinds of things.
Perhaps we look in the wrong place, seeking some moral facts or some rules that are logically compelling. Perhaps the point is to look to something like insight and suppose that insight doesn't just happen but that it can be achieved, cultivated.
What kind of insight then? The kind that can give us reasons to defer our own interests for others and which can then be used as a starting point in elaborating a set of behavioral rules we take to constitute what we think of as morally good. So it would not be our task to find the right set of rules per se but to find a motivating factor that can underwrite the rules and their status, resting on whether or not we have got that insight.
Then the question is what insight are we talking about and how do we go about getting it, if we don't already possess itm and why should we?
Perhaps the real moral question just boils down to this? Perhaps that's all Wittgenstein was talking about, achieving some insight that changes everything for the individual who is not already morally at home with him or herself?
There isn't a correct answer to questions about ethics in the way that there is to questions about addition, say.
Maybe correctness here hinges on an insight?
Yes, maybe. Caleb Thompson has written interestingly on possible similarities between Tolstoy's ethics (which could perhaps be summarized by your third from last paragraph) and Wittgenstein's. I can't access the paper now, but here's the abstract:
DeleteTolstoy’s writings were clearly important to Wittgenstein. He carried Tolstoy’s The Gospel in Brief with him during the war, and he said that it ‘virtually kept [him] alive’. But commentators have hesitated to extend Tolstoy’s influence to Wittgenstein’s philosophy. This essay argues that there are important parallels in structure and content between Tolstoy’s A Confession and Wittgenstein’s Tractatus which suggest Tolstoy’s influence and which help us to see how we should understand the Tractatus. By comparing these two works we can see more clearly in the Tractatus the idea that the solution to philosophical problems lies in their disappearance and that the structure and content of the Tractatus are expressions of that conception.
Interesting. Thanks!
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